I don't believe wild birds are spreading h5n1
post I just made in response to a question on Agonist.org, may be of interest:
In short, yes, I do believe wild birds are not spreading bird flu - not h5n1 variant that we're so concerned about. (But they carry plenty of flus; benign for vast vast majority, till farming gets them and transforms [into frankenflus - yikes!].)
Bit longer: birds were claimed to be vectors during 2003/2004, when there was extensive spread in east and se Asia. But, nowhere did such claims look credible; instead, movements within poultry trade (including illegal, inc fighting cocks) looked way more likely.
At Qinghai, I'm sure that birds spread the virus amongst each other at the colonies (eg geese defecating on grass, grazing on it). But whether any that survived will go on to become vectors remains to be seen. After a time, what will happen to h5n1 in wild birds - will there be some evolution, even recombination, to form that is less harmful to them, and us - even unable to cross species barrier to humans? [they might be fine mixing vessels for flus, with plenty of H's and so on - but these are for great part benign, which is a lot why birders have been little concerned re bird flu till now]
I think we should then look south, along the true migration routes from Qinghai; come later autumn and winter, Indian scientists and birders will surely watch for potential vectors, see what happens. (There's already a nice web page with h5n1 info by an Indian birder, indicating interest.)
Now, with spread to Russia, I'm not certain birds haven't moved virus over significant distances, but I think here too there is major cause for doubt. Again, as 2003/04, timings of outbreaks go against migration routes/timings. Instead of figuring there are errors in these, maybe could look for another vector.
I think the Chany Lake outbreak just might be from wild birds, but might also be that from poultry farms (run-off entering a shallow wetland, hence to food eaten/water drunk by waterfowl). [Again, timing indicates latter to me.]
For spread between farms, I believe markets etc will be mixing sources.
The wild birds dying at lake in Mongolia also a concern; I'm intrigued to hear reports from team inc Wildlife Conservation Society members who were reportedly going to investigate.
It's too bad that China is so secretive about bird flu; there, I've seen at least one official claim of wild birds being vectors that apparently had not a shred of evidence.
Russia, so far, more open, which is good (how odd to be reading reports from Pravda, on the Internet, in English!). I've just been cc'd an email from WWF Russia, saying,
Quote:
The Ministry (Agriculture) has no information about bird flu in Kursk
region. Additionally, the AI was not confirmed in Kalmykia: the death of
domestic birds was caused by other stomach infection.
Maybe of some interest.
To me, just reported outbreak in Japan (yet) again is an outbreak fitting trade - which can also involve smuggled birds (as smuggled ducks to Quemoy some time ago, with h5n1).
I've been in touch with/been cc'd emails from various conservation organisations, including Birds Korea, Wetlands International, Wildlife Conservation Society (international and Thailand program), WWF Hong Kong (now WWF Russia), Birdlife International, Birdlife Asia. All have similar views: wild birds can be victims, but not shown to be vectors of h5n1 (even though they - especially waterfowl - are reservoirs of flu viruses, which can become problematic thro evolution in poultry).
Also just in, email trying to check species affected at Qinghai (again, Chinese authorities could be such a help here). Based on names in a macine translated news item [posted here??]; here giving widely known English names in brackets. Some at least already named on this thread; one or two still bit baffling; I'm about to recheck thread in case more names given.
Looking at numbers, striking to me just how high the proportion of bar-headed geese is; again, as faecal to oral route simpler I guess. For the gulls, I wonder if at least partly thro scavenging carcasses of dead birds. Cormorants - I don't know, but they certainly defecate a lot when sitting around (after feeding by swimming, diving for fish).
spot headed geese 5412 (Bar headed Goose)
brown headed gulls 641
cormorants 1151
fishing gulls 1064 (Pallas's Gull)
red beaked diving ducks 121 (Red-crested Pochard)
red feet ducks 34 (Ruddy Shelduck???)
ring neck birds 23 (Common Pheasant???)
swallow gulls 12 (Terns)
white-headed crane 6 (Hooded Crane - unlikely on range; probably young Black-necked)
Phoenix headed bird 11 (Northern Lapwing???)
black neck crane 2 (Blac-necked Crane)
raincoat feather crane 1 (Demoiselle Crane)

Tooth Fairy Bird visits Switzerland
The Swiss federal veterinary department reported an asymptomatic Pochard (Anythya ferina), found on Lake Sempach (near Lucern). The duck shows no signs of infection, the office sayd.
Most interesting point: According to the Swiss federal veterinary department, they cought the duck during a regular detection programme, tested it H5N1 hpai positive - and then let it fly.
Unbelieveable - but true.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/news_digest/Vogelgrippe_Nach_zwei_Jahren_wieder_ein_Fall.html?siteSect=104&sid=8902258&cKey=1206623611000&ty=nd
(Sorry, related article only availeable in german language, please use "babelfish", "google translations" or another tool if needed)
[..
Vogelgrippe: Nach zwei Jahren wieder ein Fall
Das hochansteckende Vogelgrippevirus H5N1 ist in der Schweiz bei einer Tafelente auf dem Sempachersee gefunden worden. Zusätzliche Massnahmen zu den bereits getroffenen sind aber keine vorgesehen.
Der im Rahmen des Überwachungsprogramms kontrollierte Wasservogel, eine Tafelente, zeigte aber keinerlei Krankheitssymptome.
Es ist das erste Mal in der Schweiz, dass der Vogelgrippe-Erreger bei einem lebenden Vogel gefunden wurde.Die Tafelente sei zwar Trägerin des Virus, die Krankheit sei aber nicht ausgebrochen, sagte der Sprecher des Bundesamt für Veterinärwesen (BVET). Nach der Untersuchung wurde das Tier wieder fliegen gelassen.
Bisher wurden in der Schweiz 33 Fälle von Vogelgrippe gezählt – alle bei tot gefundenen Wasservögeln. Die Kadaver stammten alle entweder vom Genfer– oder vom Bodensee und waren zwischen Ende Februar und Ende März 2006 gefunden worden.
..]
See also:
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=31&art_id=nw20080327144054153C696658
and the website of the Swiss federal veterinary department
http://www.bvet.admin.ch/aktuell/01617/01821/index.html?lang=de&msg-id=17950
Nearby threehundred millions of healthy birds were worldwide killed 'n culled to prevent the "next great pandemic".. and the swissmen says "No much dangereous virus in all, less risk for humans and poultry.. no need to take action.."
Wat's going on? First signs that some officials changing their paradigm?
All the best,
Werner
Another paper out in continuing hunt for the Tooth Fairy Bird (which can survive and sustain and spread H5N1 poultry flu).
Experiments showed that Mallard may be a candidate species; but other ducks, such as Tufted Duck, liable to die when infected, so maybe sentinels.
I've just posted to aiwatch group:
You can find the paper re Mallard etc at:
http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/14/4/600.htm
Back in February 2004, I received email from poultry flu expert Carol Cardona, inc
I've since simplified this to argue "Dead Ducks Don't Fly" - but also added far more, looked at much info.
Yet, many wild pronouncements re migratory birds carrying H5N1 around, and/or set to transport it to all corners of the globe (ever see any of the crassest idiocy from Henry Niman? - Aaarghh!!0
Paper just on CDC site looks at the issue, conclusion much as in Cardona's email.
Abstract:
final sentence:
Ecologic Immunology of Avian Influenza (H5N1) in Migratory Birds
further comment I sent to aiwatch (group re bird flu and wild birds):
o why then the widespread blame of wild birds, inc by many people who
should know better - of course the FAO's Domenech (how much have FAO to
hide, hope is not widely seen?); and even some purported
"conservationists"? [money helping latter avoid telling it like it is?]
How many birds killed, scared; how many people unnecessarily scared of
wild birds during this modern-day witchhunt?
How many small holders had livelihoods seriously disrupted, as wild
birds supposedly about to bring in bird flu; while Big Chicken
companies like Bernard Matthews have been merrily transporting
eggs/chicks/poultry back and forth, and misplacing paperwork or
whatever?
Anyone standing up to express shame over their roles in all this?
Not that I can see, tho some are quieter nowadays.
Anyone seen, yet, the FAO report on S Korea situation: was this shoved
away from limelight once it appeared wild birds weren't the vectors
there? [curious Nial Moores told to remove his account from website:
was it factually wrong, or just telling the "wrong" story?, not
convenient for fans of Big Chicken.]
How many places are still feeding chicken manure and carcasses to fish?
- anyone done research into whether this isn't such a good idea after
all? Or, too busy being witch-hunters.
New paper out from China, mentions:
- maybe first report re these dead "widgeons" (maybe other species too, I'd guess). At time when wild birds being readily blamed for spreading H5N1. Yet here's further evidence that wild birds not asymptomatic carriers, for as we all know, Dead Ducks Don't Fly.
Avian Influenza (H5N1) Virus in Waterfowl and Chickens, Central China
Review appearing in ornithological journal Ibis, now online.
Includes:
Recent expansion of highly pathogenic avian influenza H5N1: a critical review
also in Ibis, a Viewpoint article by Professor Chris Feare, includes:
The spread of avian influenza
Recent Promed post included:
full article at:
http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/13/4/06-1072.htm
Just posted this to birdforum (thread on current UK outbreak - in industrial turkey farm):
(quoting a poster)":are you saying that ... H5N1 has travelled to EC from it's source in China/Hong Kong in 1996/1997 solely via the movement of domestic birds?"
Simple answer: Yes. And Hong Kong wasn't necessarily source.
More re that yes: solely by the poultry industry. Including smuggling, dead birds, perhaps "silently" in vaccinated live birds, in poultry manure (within feed and as fertiliser), on dirty crates, on boots etc. FAO promoted practice of using chicken manure, bits of dead chickens as feed in fish farms helping sustain H5N1. (I've seen this happening in Indonesia; got photos and short article on my DocMartin site - don't view if it's dinnertime).
So, also saying FAO has inadvertently helped in spread of H5N1.
Re HK: known as place where H5N1 of concern identified (really, Guangong farm goose 1997). But I've seen re avian flu people reckoning there's connection (traced in DNA) with a bird flu in UK - Scotland in 1959: The price of cheap chicken is bird flu
(well worth a read; includes "The truly great ruse is that industrial poultry farms are the best way to produce chickens "). In a sense then, it's come home again.
H5N1 into wild - it dies out pretty fast, largely as it kills most birds it infects. Typically, see a few individuals, even scavengers such as crows (and, as Mike mentioned, can be birds of prey) and that's it.
Indeed saw waterbirds move west with H5N1 when eastern Europe became v cold late last winter, but then no evidence of further spread (you know of real evidence for this: tell us).
Indeed, at one site, infected swans found on pond [Romania?], where other wild birds tested didn't have H5N1.
- regular wild bird flus abound in infected waterbird faeces; H5N1 in lower amounts faeces, mainly in trachea. H5N1 suits those crowded poultry farms; it's evolved and continues to evolve in them. Also interesting it has better survival in warm water than regular wild bird flu: again, shift away from best suiting migratory northern breeding waterfowl; maybe better fit with ponds inc fishponds in southeast Asia?
H5N1 (variants of concern, that is - H5N1 can be found rarely in wild waterbirds as low pathogenic flu) has evolved in poultry farms; in the kinds of farms where birds crammed in together.
Whilst not shilly-shallying here: no wild bird species known to be able to survive and sustain and spread H5N1.Post edited by: Martin, at: 2007/02/10 01:48
Just seen a paper published in Waterbirds 29(3): 243-257, 2006:
Avian Influenza: An Ecological and Evolutionary Perspective for Waterbird Scientists
by SABIR BIN MUZAFFAR,RONALD C. Y DENBERG AND IAN L. JONES
An excellent review; much of the info will be familiar to anyone who's read several of the H5N1 and wild birds threads in this forum.
Says that wild birds widely blamed for being major reservoirs and vectors of HPAI - by both media and some scientists - yet with little actual evidence.
Good to see inclusion of evolutionary biology, citing Paul Ewald (see thread here on evolutionary biol). As the paper notes, this would predict evolution to low or non virulence in the wild - as wild birds have to fly long distances ("Dead Ducks Don't Fly") - and tendency for evolution to high virulence in poultry, especially in densely kept poultry.
These predictions borne out by observations.
Includes suggestion that wild birds may face threats from HPAI circulating in poultry, especially where - say - captive waterfowl mingle with wild birds, as at some wetlands in China.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailnational.asp?fileid=20061109.H05&irec=4
Migrating birds free from flu, ministry says
Theresia Sufa, The Jakarta Post, Bogor
None of a sample of migratory birds flying to Indonesia have tested positive for the deadly bird flu virus, a Forestry Ministry official says.
Speaking at the Asia-Pacific Migratory Waterbird Conservation Committee meeting here Monday, Arman Mallolongan said the ministry had tested 695 migratory birds this year.
All were found to be free from the virus, he said.Post edited by: jodd, at: 2006/11/09 17:56
Regular Monitoring Did Not Detect Bird Flue in Azerbaijan
Migrating flocks declared H5N1-free - Jakarta Post
No sooner have I posted re health officials and stupidity re H5N1, than see David Nabarro, senior UN coordinator for anti-influenza activities, spouting forth:
UN says worldwide cooperation may have thwarted bird flu spread
:ohmy:
What a ridiculous comment re monitoring stopping bird flu (part of a desperate attempt to save face; for this wasn't human pandemic, and indeed wild birds not carrying for long-cited reasons).
If it worked, he could solve global warming by giving out lots of thermometers, and having people note temperatures over time.
Heck, with this monitoring stopping disasters notion, he could be on to something; Nobel prizes galore.
But really, he and other fools don't even deserve Ig Nobels.
Deadly bird flu not forgotten by U.S health officials
prompted me to send email to some folks interested in h5n1 and wild birds:
Just helps show the prevalence of stupidity regarding the H5N1 and wild birds issue.
(And the effectiveness of smokescreen from poultry industry, obscuring real issues; rather as some in energy industry befuddling people re global warming; and before them, cigarette makers obfuscated re dangers of smoking.)
I could of course say I told you so, but what the heck.
(Not much from Robert Webster, say, lately. No repeat, for instance, of his notion that bird flu will kill half the world population. Bah!)
Natural selection still works.
But, ideas it doesn't have helped some people pocket money and keep quiet about actual science. Should be ashamed, but I doubt it, not when there are "debates" about evolution, global warming; Bush's war on science has proven sadly effective.
HUNTING AND AVIAN FLU PROBLEM IN VOLOGDA REGION
In fall 2006 hunting season for monitoring of the avian flu purpose 70
samples of the wild ducks and geese was taken. All give negative
results.
According “Russian Hunting Newspaper” cancellation of the hunting on
ducks, implemented in spring 2006, give limited positive results for
amount of this birds in fall. Reason – wide scale “avian flu”
preventive measures, when hundreds of wild birds was shoot without any
place and time limits. Journalist hope, this officially supported wide
scale poaching will not happen again.
Sources: http://www.transmit.ru/news/2006/10/16/251/,
http://www.mk.ru/numbers/2415/article84781.htm
Martin wrote:
Maybe a wrong redirecting link??
This one works.
http://avianflu.futurehs.com/?p=2724
Thanks, Coleman - link to Jakarta Post item was working when I posted message, but not now.
MartinPost edited by: martin, at: 2006/10/12 01:21
Cats can carry bird flu, study says [link no longer works; see next post]Post edited by: martin, at: 2006/10/12 01:19
Azerbaijani bird flu monitoring results announced
Azerbaijan's Ecology and Natural Resources Ministry in conjunction
with Agriculture and Health Ministry has announced the results of the
next bird flu monitoring in the country, the Ministry told the APA.
The symptoms of bid flu have not been detected in any of the blood
samples taken from different wild birds during this monitoring. The
monitoring covered Absheron, Aggol, Shirvan National Parks,
Gizilagach State Reserve, Sarvan in Devechi region. /APA/
In the littoral the measures for the preventive maintenance of the bird influenza strengthened
In connection with the autumnal migration of birds in the territory
of Primorskiy Kray the measures for the preventive maintenance of
bird influenza are intensified. From July through September the
specialists of boundary veterinary service took more than 1 100 tests
of the blood in wild, migratory and poultry from the different
regions of littoral. Not one case of the disease of feathered by bird
influenza it is revealed.Post edited by: martin, at: 2006/09/28 03:36
Here's summary of paper on Centers for Disease Control site:
Birds and Influenza H5N1 Virus Movement to and within North America
'Migratory Birds Not Spreading Bird Flu'
Recent article in Le Monde looks at whether H5N1 is an artificially created and spread virus.
via babelfish.altavista.com, includes:
Le H5N1, virus sauvage ou domestique ?
Don't blame the wild birds
Whilst the Tooth Fairy Bird - the wild bird(s) that can survive and sustain and spread H5N1 - remains a theoretical creature, which has taken hold in the popular imagination and the brains of various journalists, the "experts" who believe in it are still virus people rather than ornithologists.
Instead, people who actually know about wild birds still doubt its existence.
French League for the Protection of Birds article here - machine translation.
http://www.protection-des-animaux.org/actualites/archives-512.html
The migratory birds are not the "rats of the sky"
Regarded too often as principal vectors of the H5N1, the wild birds
are transformed little by little into "rats of the sky". The LPO
condemns this detrimental process with regard to an extremely
fragile. It biodiversity makes a point of pointing out the major
role played by the illegal transport of wild or domestic birds in
this file.
Some mesestimees realities
The wintering of the birds in Africa
During the summer 2005, whereas migratory birds of contaminated zones
(Siberia, Asia), were on the point of leaving their surfaces of
nesting for their districts of wintering, in Africa, with the
Middle-East, but also towards Australia, one predicted the emergence
of new hearths aviaires on these various destinations, and the
hecatomb of many wild birds to us. Actually, it does not have of it
anything be, in Africa but also in Australia and Nouvelle Zealand.
Nigeria
The confirmation, February 08, 2006, of the flu virus aviaire H5N1 in
Nigeria concerned, initially and exclusively, of the industrial
breedings of birds. To date, in Nigeria, no contaminated wild bird
was found. It cannot be excluded that the original tank of these
hearths is the poultry trade coming from China and Turkey. According
to the laboratory of reference of the animal World Health
Organization (OMSA) and Funds' of the United Nations for the food and
agriculture (FAO), the stock isolated from the virus in Nigeria shows
the same genetic characteristics as that discovered in Turkey, which
itself are connected with the stock of the Chinese lake of the
province of Qinqhai, hearth of origin of the disease. *
Spain
February 15, 2006 in Benidorm, in the province of Alicante in Spain,
2 tons of poultries were seized. Imported illegally of China, they
were conveyed in Spain by truck. It seems that their final
destination was to be Chinese restaurants.
These poultry movements can take part seriously in the diffusion of
the virus through the countries and even the continents. They show
the importance of the frontier checks to dismantle illegal networks
of trade. This while at the same time "universalization processed
chicken in cash migrating and the movements of chickens around the
world occur 365 days per annum, unlike the seasonal migrations of the
wild birds" to take again the assertion of Leon Bennun, director of
international Birdlife.
Traffic of the birds of ornament
The illegal trade of the birds of ornament bound for France is
currently estimated at more than 4 million individuals each year.
This figure also corresponds to the number of legally marketed birds,
which represents nearly 8 million birds in all.
Among the sought birds, one notes that many sparrows are originating
in South Asia east and China, while the parrots come mainly from West
Africa and Tanzania. In the same way, other species come from South
America.
Consequently, without denying the possible role of the migratory
birds, the LPO stresses that, in spite of the put regulation opens
some to manage the crisis, it appears obvious that the involuntary
non-observance of measurements of precaution must also be taken into
account in the analysis of the situation.
Allain Bougrain Dubourg President of the LPOPost edited by: martin, at: 2006/03/12 08:03
Had a bit of correspondence lately with Canadian medical reporter Helen Branswell - some time ago she interviewed me for story on wild birds and H5N1; more recently written of "avian equivalent of the stealth bomber" spreading H5N1 west from China. (A belief, then, in the Tooth Fairy Bird.)
Followed my sending her short email re Grain report on farming and H5N1; she replied saying thought it odd some conservationists still denying some role in the spread.
Here's email I sent:
"some birds playing some role, that they are one possible route of
introduction of the virus to a new area" - I have not seen any
ornithologists/conservationists dispute this. So far, remains only
possible route, and all the attention on wild birds is excessive, and
leading to problems - latest is region in Russia, about to shoot birds
(near poultry farms?) said a news item a couple of days ago.
Major conservation implications. Wild birds themselves have no voice,
so people like me get active on their account - extremely unfair wild
birds getting so much wrong blame for the poultry industry's wrongs.
see Grain report. Instead of wild birds, should be major questioning
of FAO, and industrial farming.
But, FAO v loud - especially Domenech.
And somehow media seems to love idea of wild birds carrying a disease
that could kill us all.
Beats Hitchcock, so to editors and some sensationalist writers (step
forward Laurie Garrett), what's not to like about that? A good story,
so who cares about the details. Not sure if you do: I wrote such
shorthand in previous email so as not to bombard you.
It is not scientific to just say "it must be stealth bomber birds".
Not scientific at all.
We see vast exaggeration of wild birds as carriers, based on little
more than supposition - and overlooking or ignoring the problems
inherent in poultry industry: after all, without poultry industry, we
would not have this virulent H5N1, nor a slew of other HPAIs in recent
years.
"The AI scientists" - not all AI scientists.
Karesh, assuming you mean Williams Karesh, not an AI scientist that I
know of; tho done important work in field when need arose last summer.
Work by him and his team among strong evidence "the disease is
self-limiting in wild birds".
Curious your list appears to be all US people. Has Swayne, say, even
worked in Asia?
cf vet Les Sims, extensive experience in Asia, believes wild birds
play only minor role in spread
What of Guan Yi: no "expert" on AI, inc with his team's pioneering
research on virus in HK/China? Quoted saying wild birds scapegoats.
Ken Shortridge, worked with Guan and co before, co-authored paper in
Lancet, showing wild birds not key vectors for 2003/04.
Why do you not think when discussing H5N1 and wild birds that it's not
important to consider views views of ornithologists with some or
detailed knowledge of migratory species, timings, routes etc?
- when examine various cases n some detail, the story re wild birds as
spreaders becomes weak or highly improbable. Niman manages this
ignorance; but hardly science.
"it doesn't kill some duck specie" - not true. Situation is more
complex than this. All I've seen: some strains highly lethal to ducks
(check out species list on USGS website), some strains may kill small
percentages.
Less lethal strains were excreted in low amounts - so how are ducks
going to transmit them? Sneezing and French kissing?
Does seem domestic ducks in Thai rice fields play important role in
sustaining H5N1 there. But in the wild?
One case with science: swans in Romania excreted little; birds sharing
ponds with them not infected.
Six apparently healthy wild ducks at a lake in e China had H5N1. But
virus did not move in direction birds migrate from Poyang.
Same paper: H5N1 has evolved distinct regional strains in China,
Vietnam: major scientific evidence against wild birds being major
carriers, yet overlooked.
As yet, no cases of wild bird transmission to H5N1 known. Doesn't mean
that hasn't happened - it's hard to say for sure just what caused
several outbreaks - but none certain, yet wild birds readily blamed.
French turkeys had no contact with wild birds, yet they got it. Again,
wild birds a red herring for the most part: and by watching the skies
for virus, when it arrives in other ways, could be just helping
spread.
I do believe wild birds - esp swans - flying around with H5N1; and
dying of it in too many cases.
Yes, sentinels; H5N1 is around. But where did they get infected?
Looking like e Europe/Black Sea area for the most part.
Might they even have been fed (dumped?) chicken feed? Contaminated
feed
thought to be behind at least one poultry outbreak in Russia. Mute
swans tend to be tame, often residents.
Looks like virus has been moved - by transport links - across Russia
to Europe. Now infected wild birds, especially swans for some reason.
Isn't first time wild birds fingered. With H5N1 2003/04, "wild birds"
so often blamed - which is when I got interested and active, seeing
that evidence was to contrary.
Earlier blamed for HPAIs in US, 83/84; Netherlands for H7N7; Australia
also. In all cases, wild birds said to be or thought maybe vectors,
yet evidence showed they weren't.
I write from Hong Kong, which is surely at the epicentre of H5N1 in
poultry and even humans, just down the road from first location for
H5N1 of Guangdong goose 96 lineage.
Hong Kong lies on migration flyways; birds here from breeding grounds
including northeast Asia, and Japan; some travel as far south as
Australia, while many overwinter, including around 50,000 waterbirds
in
a relatively small wetland on northwest border w Shenzhen.
Have been occasional cases of H5N1 in dead wild birds here. Extensive
testing - 16,000 or more healthy birds tested at wetland, not one
positive.
So, H5N1 has indeed proved self-limiting in with birds here; no
evidence wild waterbirds migrating through Hong Kong are carrying it.
Suppose you could visit this wetland, see all these birds in the heart
of H5N1 territory, might you then have a slightly different viewpoint
than from Canada?
Alas, Ms B not to be swayed, and maybe a tad grouchy on day my email arrived:
Too bad re sense of humour failure, repeated in a further email from Ms B, with further dig re "crusades"; though at least her notion does suggest one possible Latin name for the Tooth Fairy Bird - Anas stealthbomberensis.