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  • in reply to: Other side of debate #4523
    imported_Martin
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    So OK, the OISM has adopted pooh-poohing warming as a cause, after starting w some highly dodgy right wing US Christian views – note the sourcewatch article re books saying nuclear bombs not so bad really, and flogging material like old edition of Encyclopedia Brittanica for serious money.
    Might be allied to kinds of people who build museums w dinosaurs pulling carts and so forth. See, eg, re idiocy and “gut” views over science etc: Greetings from Idiot America.

    Anyways, there is no scientific debate re validity of global warming; just as no scientific debate re earth being round, earth going round sun, evolution, plate tectonics, gravity…
    Any such “debate” – in absence of alternative theory that stands up to scrutiny, explains observations (and my “dr” is for phys chem, real hard science, so I have some notions re theories) – is bogus and diversionary.

    It would be nice to think global warming’s just a matter of opinion; nice to continue with illusion this is just a “debate”, which is really somewhat trivial, or that reality can change depending on your political or religious viewpoint.
    Sadly, that’s not the case.

    Evidence is strong and building that warming is an issue. For instance:

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    a new analysis in Nature that paints a dark portrait of what a warming world will look like in the years to come.

    The researchers assessed 829 geologic phenomena—including melting glaciers—along with nearly 30,000 changes in plants and animals (from bird migration patterns to plummeting penguin populations), and found that about 90 percent of them are in sync with scientists’ predictions about how global warming will alter the planet.

    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=man-made-warming-altering-natures-clock

    There is, however, plenty of scope for debate re what we do about warming.
    Big Fat Nothing seems the general consensus, despite some fine words.

    We can fight terrorists real and imaginary and so forth, respond – when allowed to – to disasters as they happen; yet here we are, overwhelmed by this issue. And in too many cases, just in denial, heads thrust firmly in sand, sometimes clinging too tightly to keys to the SUV.

    in reply to: Other side of debate #4520
    imported_Martin
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    Oh dear, I see Earth has a cold has a prominent link to guff re the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine.

    :S

    nuff said, I think.

    in reply to: Global warming threatens biodiversity #4384
    imported_Martin
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    Fewer caribou calves are being born and more of them are dying in West Greenland as a result of a warming climate, according to Eric Post, a Penn State associate professor of biology. Post, who believes that caribou may serve as an indicator species for climate changes including global warming, based his conclusions on data showing that the timing of peak food availability no longer corresponds to the timing of caribou births.

    caribou are unable to keep pace with certain changes that have occurred as a result of global warming. When the animals arrive at their calving grounds now, pregnant females find that the plants on which they depend already have reached peak productivity and have begun to decline in nutritional value. According to Post, the plants — which initiate growth in response to temperature, not day length — are peaking dramatically earlier in response to rising temperatures. “Spring temperatures at our study site in West Greenland have risen by more than 4 degrees Celsius over the past few years,” said Post. “As a result, the timing of plant growth has advanced, but calving has not.”

    Global Warming Linked To Caribou-calf Mortality

    in reply to: ESPN Star Sports Cricket Sometimes Live #4503
    imported_Martin
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    Sent Now TV another stroppy missive re their crappy “live” cricket channel, where it seems live tv has vanished lately.
    Had reply, inc this schedule for forthcoming matches that will be shown.

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    England v New Zealand Test
    (3 Tests, 1 Twenty20 and 5 One-Day Internationals)

    May 2008

    ICC Asia Cup

    June 2008

    England v South Africa Test
    (4 Tests, 1 Twenty20 and 5 One-Day Internationals)

    July – September 2008

    Australia v Bangladesh
    (2 Tests, and 3 One-Day Internationals)

    August – September 2008

    ICC Champion’s trophy

    Sept 2008

    Australia v New Zealand
    (2 Test, 5 One-Day Internationals, 1 Twenty20)

    November 2008

    Australia v South Africa
    (3 Tests, 5 One-Day Internationals)

    December 2008 – January 2009

    ICC World Cup Qualifier

    April 2009

    England v Zimbabwe
    (2 Tests, 3 One-Day Internationals)

    May – June 2009

    Twenty20 World Cup

    May 2009

    Emailed back, saying:
    Well, this looks better.

    But still hardly inspired.
    I’m interested in the England – NZ/S Africa matches over the summer. Not too excited by schedule for coming winter.

    Seems there are no cricket fans working at the channel.

    in reply to: Global warming solutions? – geo-engineering? PV cells? #4338
    imported_Martin
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    Quote:
    A proposed solution to reverse the effects of global warming by spraying sulfate particles into Earth’s stratosphere could make matters much worse, climate researchers said on Thursday.

    They said trying to cool off the planet by creating a kind of artificial sun block would delay the recovery of the Antarctic ozone hole by 30 to 70 years and create a new loss of Earth’s protective ozone layer over the Arctic.

    “What our study shows is if you actually put a lot of sulfur into the atmosphere we get a larger ozone depletion than we had before,” said Simone Tilmes of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, whose research appears in the journal Science.

    Plan to reverse global warming could backfire

    in reply to: Global warming is well underway #4320
    imported_Martin
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    From a bloomberg item:

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    Global warming is hitting the Arctic harder and faster than scientists expected, causing unforeseen changes to the frigid region’s ice, wildlife, atmosphere and oceans, the conservation group WWF said.

    The most prominent differences observed over the last three years include a “massively accelerated” decline in summer sea ice and “much greater” shrinking of the Greenland Ice Sheet, the environmental campaign group, known in the U.S. as the World Wildlife Fund, said in a 123-page report today.

    “We’re seeing more rapid temperature-warming,” Ted Scambos, lead scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, said by phone. The best explanation is “a trigger from greenhouse gases,” he said. Scambos wasn’t involved in the WWF report.

    Global Warming Is Affecting Arctic Faster, WWF Says

    in reply to: Global warming forecasts: disasters, diseases #4361
    imported_Martin
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    So, you thought the future looked grim in Terminator?
    From report in Daily Telegraph:

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    Climate change could cause global conflicts as large as the two World Wars which will last for centuries unless it is controlled, a leading defence think tank has warned.

    The Royal United Services Institute said a tenfold increase in research spending, comparable to the amount spent on the Apollo space programme, will be needed if the world is to avoid the worst effects of changing temperatures.

    The report said: “If climate change is not slowed and critical environmental thresholds are exceeded, then it will become a primary driver of conflicts between and within states.”

    It added: “Climate impacts will force us into a radical rethink of how we identify and secure our national interests. For example, our energy and climate security will increasingly depend on stronger alliances with other large energy consumers, such as China, to develop and deploy new energy technologies, and less on relations with oil producing states.

    “No strategy for long run peace and stability in Afghanistan can possibly succeed unless local livelihoods can survive the impact of a changing climate on water availability and crop yields.”

    ‘Tenfold R&D rise needed for climate change’

    in reply to: Bush the anti-scientist and global warming obfuscation #4405
    imported_Martin
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    Bush has finally announced something like plans re warming, right in the twilight of his presidency. Woeful stuff, though:

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    President Bush has been criticised by environment groups after he called for a halt to the growth of US greenhouse gas emissions by 2025 but offered few ideas on how to achieve it.

    The proposal on global warming, which fell short of European proposals, was announced as the US Congress prepares to consider more ambitious plans and before international climate change negotiations take place in Paris.

    Mr Bush offered only broad principles, such as focusing on emissions from the power industry, and rejected new taxes, abandoning nuclear power and trade barriers.

    President Bush’s environment plans criticised

    in reply to: Global warming forecasts: disasters, diseases #4360
    imported_Martin
    Participant

    from BBC site:

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    Sea levels could rise by up to one-and-a-half metres by the end of this century, according to a new scientific analysis.

    This is substantially more than the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) forecast in last year’s landmark assessment of climate science.

    The new analysis comes from a UK/Finnish team which has built a computer model linking temperatures to sea levels for the last two millennia.

    “For the past 2,000 years, the [global average] sea level was very stable, it only varied by about 20cm,” said Svetlana Jevrejeva from the Proudman Oceanographic Laboratory (POL), near Liverpool, UK.

    “But by the end of the century, we predict it will rise by between 0.8m and 1.5m.

    “The rapid rise in the coming years is associated with the rapid melting of ice sheets.”

    Forecast for big sea level ri

    in reply to: I don’t believe wild birds are spreading h5n1 #3764
    imported_Martin
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    Another paper out in continuing hunt for the Tooth Fairy Bird (which can survive and sustain and spread H5N1 poultry flu). Experiments showed that Mallard may be a candidate species; but other ducks, such as Tufted Duck, liable to die when infected, so maybe sentinels. I’ve just posted to aiwatch group:

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    I’m not so up to speed re wild ducks etc n h5n1 – after all, seems to me the story is so often the same old same old; here we have more of the search for the Tooth Fairy BIrd, with suggestion it might exist (as a mallard) but not actually found. I recalled work by Webster n co – leading Tooth Fairy Bird chasers! – which involved H5N1 that was virulent to mallard. I’ve the paper someplace, but easier to google for quick info; and find: "In laboratory experiments in mallard ducks, it rapidly shifted from being potentially fatal to causing only asymptomatic infections. Nevertheless, it remained highly virulent to domestic chickens and, presumably, to people. A resilient wild waterfowl, such as the mallard, could therefore become a permanent biological reservoir for a strain of avian flu with pandemic-causing potential."

    I wonder, then, re the strain used in the newer TF Bird experiments: not quite the same as some strains, inc used by Webster. Once again, we have evolution to the rescue. I know virologists – many of them – don’t believe in it, instead looking to mutations and mixing, but not evolving; don’t really know why this is: too busy peering into microscopes to see wider pictures? Again: a virus getting from poultry farms to wild will evolve to low pathogenicity in wild birds (as Webster’s rather simple experiments showed – simple compared to the wild that is). I’d like to again ask: has there been anything like the effort expended in blaming wild birds used to assess the situation re official and unofficial poultry trade? – or is the situation that, with poultry trade and friends having the main money for H5N1 research, the funding tends to go into areas that can point finger of blame away from poultry industry? So far, silence re this.

    You can find the paper re Mallard etc at: http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/14/4/600.htm

    in reply to: Global warming is well underway #4318
    imported_Martin
    Participant

    From the Observer:

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    The world’s glaciers are melting faster than at any time since records began, threatening catastrophe for hundreds of millions of people and their eco-systems.

    The details are revealed in the latest report from the World Glacier Monitoring Service and will add to growing alarm about the rise in sea levels and increased instances of flooding, avalanches and drought.

    Based on historical records and other evidence, the rate at which the glaciers are melting is also thought to be faster that at any time in the past 5,000 years, said Professor Wilfried Haeberli, director of the monitoring service. ‘There’s no absolute proof, but nevertheless the evidence is strong: this is really extraordinary.’

    Experts have been monitoring 30 glaciers around the world for nearly three decades and the most recent figures, for 2006, show the biggest ever ‘net loss’ of ice. Achim Steiner, head of the UN Environment Programme (UNEP), told The Observer that melting glaciers were now the ‘loudest and clearest’ warning signal of global warming.

    The problem could lead to failing infrastructure, mass migration and even conflict. ‘We’re talking about something that happens in your and my lifespan. We’re not talking about something hypothetical, we’re talking about something dramatic in its consequences,’ he said

    Glaciers melt ‘at fastest rate in past 5,000 years’

    imported_Martin
    Participant

    Here’s another idea – note, too, re how little effort being put into seeing if may be viable, compared to politicians wandering the planet spouting hot air on the issue.

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    Professor Stephen Salter, a renowned engineer working at Edinburgh University, has hatched a plan to produce white clouds over the ocean to halt the catastrophic water heating associated with global warming.

    In the worst-case scenario, where global “tipping points” such as the melting of the Arctic ice cap are reached, he claimed launching a fleet of cloud-producing drone ships could save Earth.
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    Salter, who is famed for inventing the “duck”, a device that generates power by bobbing on waves, said: “We’ve got an explosive with the detonator in it, and when one goes off, it could trigger other explosives. That’s why we need to have a number of solutions. I don’t mean that we should continue burning coal and then just fix the consequences, that would be terrible. Just as a revolver has many bullets, we need several ideas.”

    Salter’s idea, which he formed in collaboration with John Latham, of the National Centre for Atmospheric Research in Colorado, is to build boats to sail the ocean and produce a spray of tiny water droplets around which white clouds can form. He suggested that around 400 of these wind-powered boats would be needed, at a cost of £100 million. However, the difficult part would be producing droplets small enough for clouds to form, a technique Salter has yet to master. His struggle has been a lonely one so far, and he holds little faith in government.

    Salter said: “In the UK, there is one old aged pensioner, me, and one PhD student in Leeds working on cloud control, and that is it. Then there are politicians travelling the world, holding meetings to say how awful it is and the only outcome is that they organise another meeting to say the same.”

    Cloud-making plan to reverse global warming
    Edinburgh University professor advocates revolutionary response to crisis

    imported_Martin
    Participant

    Seems to me there are good ‘ol boys attitudes among the global warming deniers.
    GM’s vice chairman, Bob Lutz, has lately exemplified these:

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    General Motors Corp Vice Chairman Bob Lutz has defended remarks he made dismissing global warming as a “total crock of shit,” saying his views had no bearing on GM’s commitment to build environmentally friendly vehicles.

    Lutz, GM’s outspoken product development chief, has been under fire from Internet bloggers since last month when he was quoted as making the remark to reporters in Texas.

    GM exec stands by calling global warming a ‘crock’

    in reply to: Global warming lies and climate change hysteria #4496
    imported_Martin
    Participant

    It seems there’s some sort of contest among US right wingers to see who can stoop the lowest in writing the crassest hyperbole regarding global warming. CBS should be ashamed of hosting an opinion piece I’ve come across. Includes:

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    creating stampedes and hysteria has become a major activity of those hyping a global-warming “crisis.” They mobilize like-minded people from a variety of occupations, call them all “scientists” and then claim that “all” the experts agree on a global-warming crisis. … Those who bother to check the facts often find that not all those who are called scientists are really scientists and not all of those who are scientists are specialists in climate. But who bothers to check facts these days?

    – latter seems deeply ironic, given the dearth of actual scientists saying global warming isn’t an issue, and the paucity of facts supporting their case.

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    The party line of those who say that we are heading for a global warming crisis of epic proportions is that human activities generating carbon dioxide are key factors responsible for the warming that has taken place in recent times. The problem with this reasoning is that the temperatures rose first and then the carbon dioxide levels rose. Some scientists say that the warming created the increased carbon dioxide, rather than vice versa.

    – this shows that the buffoon penning the piece has no notion re facts; CO2 levels have been rising for some time, greenhouse effect (warming) was predicted before temperatures shown to be rising. Cold Water on "Global Warming" National Review Online: Skeptics To Gather In Gotham To Discuss The Cold, Hard Facts

    in reply to: Global warming threatens biodiversity #4383
    imported_Martin
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    further threats to Antarctic biodiversity:

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    Unique marine life in Antarctica will be at risk from an invasion of sharks, crabs and other predators if global warming continues, scientists warn.

    Crabs are poised to return to the Antarctic shallows, threatening creatures such as giant sea spiders and floppy ribbon worms, says a UK-US team.

    Some have evolved without predators for tens of millions of years.

    Bony fish and sharks would move in if waters warm further, threatening species with extinction, they say.

    In the last 50 years, sea surface temperatures around Antarctica have risen by 1 to 2C, which is more than twice the global average.

    Warming risks Antarctic sea life

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