Henry Niman: prophet of doom for the Internet

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  • #3798
    Anonymous
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    H5N1 is the jackpot for any doom prophet. I sort of like the “H5N1 doesn’t read press releases” comment. Would we expect less from the land of fuzzy science. Unfortunately, all this will be trivial post pandemic. l

    #3799
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    Well, December 24 is coming up, Henry Niman's date for "shock and awe" — explained here: [defunct link]

    #3800
    imported_Martin
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    I saw something re this “Shock and Awe” (to be in a patent application it seems). Seem to remember Niman promising a different arrival of Shock and Awe a while back, with nothing much happening.
    Given date, are we to expect the Shock and Awe to arrive in a big sack carried by a chap in a red suit with a big white beard?

    Though Planet Niman is well into the human H5N1 pandemic that began by 6 April 2005 , I doubt most of us will be shocked or awed on or after 24 Dec.
    But, can forecast Niman will produce loads more Bluff and Bluster.

    #3801
    Anonymous
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    schlock and awful comes to mind :P Hope you have a Merry Xmas or whatever politically correct season you follow. :laugh:

    #3802
    imported_Martin
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    never mind political correctness – Merry Xmas! :laugh:

    #3803
    Anonymous
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    So whats your solution. I suppose its all Bush’s fault. typical liberal rag.

    #3804
    imported_Martin
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    George W Bush, u mean – that patsy now getting touchy feely about poor kids, and even a little worried about overusing oil? Brits like me may not so much blame, as feel just a little pity.

    Post edited by: martin, at: 2006/02/07 12:16

    #3805
    Anonymous
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    This is the new site for Niman's commentary links: flutrackers.

    We DARE any of you to show your conservationist faces there and debate us. We will own you. Death to all birds! [post by Lisa, soon in thread, says this isn't Disaster Boy]

    #3806
    imported_Martin
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    Hooray – a home for Nimanists!

    Here’s hoping there’s no sunshine there, so trolls will continue having fun.

    Good luck chaps! B)

    #3807
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    DB (Disaster Boy) wrote:

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    This is the new site for Niman's commentary links: flutrackers

    We DARE any of you to show your conservationist faces there and debate us. We will own you. Death to all birds!

    I think this post is either a joke or an imposter. It doesn't reflect any of the educational postings I saw on on that site, nor the tone of the discussions. I think the post can be ignored.

    #3808
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    DB (Disaster Boy) wrote:

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    This is the new site for Niman's commentary links: flutrackers

    We DARE any of you to show your conservationist faces there and debate us. We will own you. Death to all birds!

    Disaster Boy is actually very nice and did not say that comment. Someone is trying to sabotage the new CNN of bird flu site.

    #3809
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    AVIAN FLU: PREVENTING A PANDEMIC A Bird Flu Watcher Develops A Following Through the Internet

    By NICHOLAS ZAMISKA

    March 23, 2006 11:07 p.m.; Page B1 Henry L. Niman is a sort of macabre bird watcher, trailing the deaths of chickens, ducks and pigeons late at night by the glow of a computer monitor in the office of his suburban Pittsburgh home. There, the 57-year-old biochemist keeps vigil over a blog and an explosion of offshoot Internet discussion groups tracking the avian flu virus across the world. Dr. Niman sleeps "a few hours here and there," living partly on dwindling savings from previous research jobs. He recently shifted his schedule toward the Asian time zones to keep up with the fast-moving bird flu developments in the region.

    While he hasn't published a peer-reviewed paper since the mid-1990s, Dr. Niman says that he hopes his time trolling the Web "will pave the way for rapid acceptance" by the scientific community of his theories about how the virus is evolving. On Web message boards he has been called everything from "a Churchill of our times" to a "gonzo scientist."

    But in the World Wide Web of bird flu addicts, Dr. Niman is famous. PREVENTING A PANDEMIC 1 • See an FAQ on avian flu2, an interactive global map3 and track the latest developments in the Avian Flu News Tracker4. • Plus, see complete coverage5. As a global team of top scientists stalks the avian influenza virus in hopes of staving off a human pandemic, a parallel universe of nonprofessional laptop sleuths — fostered in part by Dr. Niman's many Web postings — is racing to beat them at their own game.

    These amateur detectives are supercharged by a mix of conviction, fear, distrust of authority, and old-fashioned competitive spirit. They believe mainstream scientists are missing important clues about the virus's evolution — and that's why ordinary citizens have to take the lead. So they are scanning news reports from various countries trying to figure out how the virus is mutating and whether there have been clusters of bird flu cases in humans.

    Such a grouping could indicate the beginning of a pandemic since the virus would be spreading from person to person. "I'm just a housewife, but I've been obsessed with this," says a 49-year-old mother of two daughters from outside Hershey, Pa. She asked not to be identified by name so her neighbors wouldn't think she was "goofy." She started following bird flu on the Internet a little over a year ago, when she was researching the proper dosage of a flu medication for her daughters. She has spent hours each day tracking the latest developments on the Web. She has theorized that India will spark the pandemic. "I know it's strange, and I know it's not normal, but I just can't seem to break away from it," this woman says.

    Dr. Niman hasn't formally recruited any of his followers; he doesn't direct their research and he certainly doesn't issue orders. His relationship with his acolytes is informal and even a bit distant. He posts commentary about bird flu on his company's Web site, and frequently contributes to various bird flu discussion groups. The amateurs take it from there. "It has brought together a fairly diverse group," Dr. Niman says of his Web postings. "These are people who just became more concerned about what is going on."

    The Internet is infamous for fostering obsessions and pseudo-science of all kinds. But the prospect of a bird flu pandemic has an apocalyptic quality that can quickly breed fear and distrust. H5N1, the strain of avian influenza that worries health experts the most, has killed millions of birds across Asia and has now spread into Europe and Africa. The virus can pass from birds to humans through close contact, but some scientists warn that a single mutation could make it readily transmissible among people as well, killing millions around the world in a matter of months.

    That even the professional bird flu experts are sometimes reduced to conjecture spurs still more second-guessing among Dr. Niman's troops. It also highlights what some see as the import of Dr. Niman's mission. Dr. Niman is "a natural-born celebrity, brilliant but weird," someone going by the name Montanan writes of Dr. Niman on a bird flu blog. "And he is emerging as a 'blog star.' Whether you love him, hate him or are neutral, you can't ignore him." Dr. Niman first turned his attention to bird flu in 2003, and has since joined curevents.com, one of several sites with bird flu discussion groups. The activity on such sites has surged in recent months. The forum had 8,361 discussion "threads" and 116,014 posts as of yesterday. "Go after them NIMAN! damn I am sick and tired of the run around about H2H!" a bird flu blogger with the screen name monkeyeyes2 wrote on a similar site, referring to the World Health Organization's attention to the possibility of broad human-to-human infection. Since graduating from the University of Southern California in Los Angeles with a doctorate in biochemistry, Dr. Niman has had several jobs in the sciences, the last of which was a research job at Shriners Burn Center in Boston, where he was also affiliated with Harvard Medical School. He says he left to found his own business, Recombinomics Inc., in the hope of eventually developing vaccines.

    He has raised around $75,000 from a couple of investors so far, he says. "Right now it's mostly me and the patent attorneys," he says of his company, adding that he is trying to secure some laboratory space in Baltimore. So far Dr. Niman's company hasn't made any bird flu vaccines, but it has filed for patents on a method he thinks could work. The idea is to try to predict the ways in which a virus will mutate. Since part of the problem with seasonal influenza is that the virus changes every year, scientists have to wait until a strain emerges before they can make a vaccine. Dr. Niman thinks flu viruses are swapping chunks of genetic material with one another when they infect the same host, spawning mutant strains of the virus. He thinks he can forecast what a new strain will look like because different viral strains, he says, exchange genetic information in predictable ways. Theoretically, this method could be used to develop a vaccine for a rapidly evolving virus, he says.

    He is pushing his theory relentlessly on the Web, and is trying to win followers who support so-called recombination, and thus generate business for his start-up vaccine company. Meanwhile, Dr. Niman has forced at least some mainstream scientists to take a look at his ideas. He has suggested a theory about pig influenza viruses in South Korea that the World Health Organization felt compelled to look into, at Dr. Niman's constant urging, lest it miss an important clue. But Klaus Stöhr, a bird flu expert at the WHO, calls the Niman leads "far-fetched," saying this was putting it "diplomatically." And last March, the prominent journal Science wrote an article about the claims, titled "Experts Dismiss Pig Flu Scare as Nonsense." A map on Dr. Niman's Web site tracks bird flu's spread across the world. At numerous points in the complex evolution of the bird flu virus, Dr. Niman has said that human-to-human transmission has occurred, suggesting that a pandemic was around the corner. In February of last year, Dr. Niman wrote: "The flu pandemic of 2005 has clearly begun." He said in a recent telephone interview that "'begun' didn't mean that people were going to be dropping dead, but that we had moved to another phase, that it was more efficiently transmitted." "Niman pours forth a veritable stream-of-consciousness series of commentaries, taking news tidbits from here and there and concocting some truths, and a generous helping of pure baloney," wrote Martin Williams, of Hong Kong, on his blog that covers H5N1.

    "He's just prolific," Dr. Williams said later in a phone conversation. "It's just scaremongering. People like to read it and get excited."

    "That's utter nonsense," Dr. Niman says in response, adding that the criticism stems from a disagreement the two had over whether migratory birds are responsible for the spread of the virus around the world. Dr. Niman says he's not bothered by his critics. "They don't really argue the science," he says. "They basically do personal attacks." Dr. Niman's Internet shock troops have adopted a division of labor, organizing themselves into groups dedicated to translating Chinese news reports and responsible for illustrating the spread of the disease across Asia with sophisticated maps.

    For example, Gaudia Ray Sarna, of Ojai, Calif., a Stanford law school graduate, claims to have done "the first academic analysis of the Old Testament's Tenth Plague," describing the plague "and the facts of pandemic flu as we know them now, from 1918 and from London 1665." The study is titled "Why smear blood on the doorposts?"

    And a British flu watcher emailed Dr. Niman to alert him to several species of dead birds piling up outside the Briton's house, as well as a dead fox in a pile of magpies. "I find the reactions he gets and the intensity of scrutiny we give him most entertaining," writes the blogger Montanan. "He is both a scientist and a dramatist. And we definitely are a willing audience." 

    #3810
    imported_Martin
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    They don’t really argue the science

    – maybe because there is little or no science to argue

    as to Gaudia-Ray’s bizarre notions, this from a correspondent:
    Oh – I didn’t know the Great Plague of London (typical rat, rat-flea, and human flea-borne plague) was REALLY flu! Or the tenth plague in the Bible – a flu which killed only first-born sons. Oh. Those were the ones sent out to kill the chickens?

    Still, claptrap clearly has much appeal, to certain people.
    cf, say, Erich von Daniken‘s popularity with some regular folk, but not scientists. (Wikipedia entry for von D includes “Most historians regard von Däniken’s archaeological claims as pseudoscience, and are of the opinion that he is drawing far-reaching conclusions from little evidence and is disregarding more likely alternative hypotheses, but a large group of followers, some of whom have written books of their own, are of the opinion that his theories are likely to be true.”)

    Post edited by: martin, at: 2006/03/25 03:22

    #3811
    imported_Martin
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    Hilarious to see that Niman readily commented on news report suggesting H5N1 found in two penguins in Antarctic:

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    The above comments suggest penguins in Antarctica are fatally infected with H5N1. Confirmation of these results would be cause for concern. Antarctica is relatively close to South America, Africa, and Australia, offering easy access for worldwide spread of H5N1 as the host range and geographical reach continue to expand.

    More details on the initial results would be useful. If H5N1 is isolated, sequence data would be revealing.

    typical pretentious pap from the blogger, without any concept of how H5N1 might have actually got there (cf blithely accepting Ebola might be in Sichuan last year).

    edited version of the page now includes, at top:

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    WARNING: Some reports indicate that the report below was an April1 hoax published by a Reunion newspaper.

    [whole Recombinomics site should have a WARNING: This website contains lots of ludicrous notions. Read at your own risk.]

    maybe fitting this should be in April, since on 6 April last year Niman announced, “the flu pandemic of 2005 has clearly begun”. (So, on Planet Niman, should have been knee-deep in bodies by Oct last year. Meanwhile, in the real world…)

    Recombinomics reminds me of review [by Barry Norman, first I think] of a film called The Idiots – “by idiots, about idiots, for idiots”. [not that H5N1 is an idiot]

    Post edited by: martin, at: 2006/04/05 08:17

    #3812
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    Thank goodness I have found you guys! I thought I was the only one saying “hey wait a minute?!” :huh:

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